No problem for the confusion, it's only through strict training that I can keep all the titles straight myself!
I really agree with your thoughts about John. I'm in a literary theory class right now and we've talked about the Freudian "internal rule of the father", where the rules imposed by a father figure (an actual father, a political leader, an influential writer, etc.) become internalized subconsciously, making him larger than life and making him influential even when he isn't physically there. I think this really applies in SPN because the boys have always and will always be influenced by John and the way that he taught them to live.
That theory has a lot in common with actual accounts of sibling incest, where the siblings are drawn together because they're socially isolated and are neglected by their parents. I also agree that once they were all alone again and both began actively disagreeing with things that John had told them, Wincest can happen.
I'm pretty good with titles most of the time, but get confused with the initials, which throws me off pretty fiercly.
I've heard about the theory you mention, but it's been a while, so thank you for reminding me of it - porn is fun, pwp is fun, but no way on this earth would Dean risk it. Sam might...he might try to coerce Dean, but Dean would hold strong. Esp if John is in the next room, the whole Freudian theory was written to describe DEAN! (Less so with Sam, though John does loom large in Sam's brain, but in a different way. Remember what he drunkenly said to Dean? "Dad told you to do it, you HAVE to!" Because even if John isn't as influential to Sam, Sam knows the power Dad holds over Dean.)
I've also heard another contrasting theory, that siblings raised together, even if they're not related, almost can't commit incest. Have you heard of that one? Because it makes me wonder if contrasting theory is true, then what would be the overriding element to bring the boys towards Wincest? (Must find theory...)
I should really be writing a paper for class right now, but a quick reply to your last point: I think that's called the Westermark effect (sp?), and it applies to any children raised together (like kids in orphanages, etc.) but sibling incest DOES happen, especially as sex play between children. This isn't something that I've looked into much, but I know that one of my fannish friends has, because she's a big psychology nerd like that. XD I actually think that she's working on a post for angstybromance based on some of her research, so keep an eye out for it.
Excellent, thank you! Yeah, the Westmark effect, which would normally be in effect, was overthrown by the intensity of the boys circumstance. I'll look forward to that post, and will probably link to it so everyone can have a gander. : D
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I really agree with your thoughts about John. I'm in a literary theory class right now and we've talked about the Freudian "internal rule of the father", where the rules imposed by a father figure (an actual father, a political leader, an influential writer, etc.) become internalized subconsciously, making him larger than life and making him influential even when he isn't physically there. I think this really applies in SPN because the boys have always and will always be influenced by John and the way that he taught them to live.
That theory has a lot in common with actual accounts of sibling incest, where the siblings are drawn together because they're socially isolated and are neglected by their parents. I also agree that once they were all alone again and both began actively disagreeing with things that John had told them, Wincest can happen.
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I'm pretty good with titles most of the time, but get confused with the initials, which throws me off pretty fiercly.
I've heard about the theory you mention, but it's been a while, so thank you for reminding me of it - porn is fun, pwp is fun, but no way on this earth would Dean risk it. Sam might...he might try to coerce Dean, but Dean would hold strong. Esp if John is in the next room, the whole Freudian theory was written to describe DEAN! (Less so with Sam, though John does loom large in Sam's brain, but in a different way. Remember what he drunkenly said to Dean? "Dad told you to do it, you HAVE to!" Because even if John isn't as influential to Sam, Sam knows the power Dad holds over Dean.)
I've also heard another contrasting theory, that siblings raised together, even if they're not related, almost can't commit incest. Have you heard of that one? Because it makes me wonder if contrasting theory is true, then what would be the overriding element to bring the boys towards Wincest? (Must find theory...)
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