I wish there was a way I could give you a gold star or a cookie, because I love your response! I love the logic of it, and it makes sense to me. I have said that I've been shocked by the whole pre-series winning all the votes, but the way you have described it, that the fooling around has hung over them for quite some time and then turned into something more serious is the scenario I like best. Plus I love the idea of Sam comforting Dean without words, even if words are what Sam likes best, he knows that Dean does not and so...yeah. I like the unrequited idea too, but only in limited doses....I think because unrequited fanfic turns into something resembling gay porn more than fanfic. As in "Oh, what a lovely ass my brother has," and I can't quite stand that...
"..I think because unrequited fanfic turns into something resembling gay porn more than fanfic. As in "Oh, what a lovely ass my brother has," and I can't quite stand that..."
Really? I get a totally opposite vibe from the unrequited stuff- more unrelenting angst than gay porn. Maybe it's how it's handled? and we've been reading different things? Just curious.
it's not that I mind unrequited love fic, I especially like the idea that Sam has a crush on his brother for ages before anything actually happens.
Let's see if I can explain. It might be how it's handled. Unrequited love is full of angst and emo and hero worship (from Sam's pov) or adoration (from Dean's pov)and I like that. What I don't like is what seems to happen in those stories that turn into gay porn is that the way the brothers look at each other unrequitedly takes a markedly gay pornish turn. Nothing wrong with gay porn, right, but to me it seems unrealistic (or undesirable) for them to start looking at each other with gay eyes. Where they start, in their heads, thinking about each other in gay porn terms. Like, "what a big cock Dean had! Sam wanted that cock!" I'd rather see something more subtle than that, more mushy and romantic. If I want gay porn I can read that, but in SPN I'd much rather read something where if Sam is looking at Dean, he thinks something like "...the golden lines of Dean's body, beautiful in the cheap bulb..."
Ah, yes. That totally makes sense. Yeah, that's just plain old bad fic. LOL
Thankfully, I haven't had the misfortune of running into that enough with unrequited fic to associate the two. Not that I read a lot of unrequited fic, because I just can't take it.
You know what I have come to associate it with tho? Two things- domestic schmoop fic, (come on, it could be *good* if done right!) and mpreg. Not that I read mpreg. *looks shifty*
I can't read mpreg either, because it seems silly to me...if someone wants the boys to have a child, they can find one by the roadside. I'm actually fond of the idea of them having a kid that way, but not the mpreg way. Silly. Just silly.
I can't take unrequited either, though sometimes I do get sucked in. Candlebeck wrote one where Sam keeps showing up in Dean's life and then LEAVING. It's just too sad. (You know candlebeck's stuff right?)
PS I guess there's two kinds of unrequited that we're talking about here...one where Sam (or Dean) loves "unrequited"for ages and ages and then finally, WHEW, they get together. Then there's the unrequited where the is wanting, perhaps sex, but they don't end up together. Ug. Who needs that?
Aww, thank you, I'm glad that my obsessive thought patterns are good for something! I have never seen my particular pre-Stanford idea in fic, but I think it probably makes the most logical sense for setting up a sexual relationship during the series.
I know what you mean with unrequited-love fics; they used to be very common in my previous fandoms, and I'm glad that they're rare in SPN because they all read just like the example you gave! Scenario 4 is good (interesting? soul-wrenchingly painful?) to keep in mind while actually watching episodes, but not so good to put in fic.
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Really? I get a totally opposite vibe from the unrequited stuff- more unrelenting angst than gay porn. Maybe it's how it's handled? and we've been reading different things? Just curious.
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Let's see if I can explain. It might be how it's handled. Unrequited love is full of angst and emo and hero worship (from Sam's pov) or adoration (from Dean's pov)and I like that. What I don't like is what seems to happen in those stories that turn into gay porn is that the way the brothers look at each other unrequitedly takes a markedly gay pornish turn. Nothing wrong with gay porn, right, but to me it seems unrealistic (or undesirable) for them to start looking at each other with gay eyes. Where they start, in their heads, thinking about each other in gay porn terms. Like, "what a big cock Dean had! Sam wanted that cock!" I'd rather see something more subtle than that, more mushy and romantic. If I want gay porn I can read that, but in SPN I'd much rather read something where if Sam is looking at Dean, he thinks something like "...the golden lines of Dean's body, beautiful in the cheap bulb..."
Hope that makes more sense!
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Thankfully, I haven't had the misfortune of running into that enough with unrequited fic to associate the two. Not that I read a lot of unrequited fic, because I just can't take it.
You know what I have come to associate it with tho? Two things- domestic schmoop fic, (come on, it could be *good* if done right!) and mpreg. Not that I read mpreg. *looks shifty*
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I can't take unrequited either, though sometimes I do get sucked in. Candlebeck wrote one where Sam keeps showing up in Dean's life and then LEAVING. It's just too sad. (You know candlebeck's stuff right?)
PS I guess there's two kinds of unrequited that we're talking about here...one where Sam (or Dean) loves "unrequited"for ages and ages and then finally, WHEW, they get together. Then there's the unrequited where the is wanting, perhaps sex, but they don't end up together. Ug. Who needs that?
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I know what you mean with unrequited-love fics; they used to be very common in my previous fandoms, and I'm glad that they're rare in SPN because they all read just like the example you gave! Scenario 4 is good (interesting? soul-wrenchingly painful?) to keep in mind while actually watching episodes, but not so good to put in fic.